Hamitic or Semitic?

[silver]

I noticed in your book under the word "SAVANNAH,"
you point out a word in Swahili, which you call a
Hamitic language. The word is sawa, which means
flat.

First, is "Hamitic" a term that the academics would
use, or is it only the Bible-believers or Edenicists
who would use that term?

Second, by using the word "Hamitic," you're sort of
implying that the word was not influenced by
anything Semitic.

However, didn't you once tell me that many words in
the Swahili language are borrowed (with or without
changes) from Arabic? If that's so, then how do you
know whether sawa is "pure" Hamitic, or a borrowing
from the Arabic (Semitic) line?

[IsaacMozeson]

Dear Silver, or Hiyo Silver:

(SiLVeR is from TsaRaPH, to refine metal. Shift the fricative and Liquid, with Resh-Phey metathesising to VR.)

Linguists used to use Hamito-Semitic, now they use Afro-Asiatic to mean the language superfasmily that would make any African language related to Hebrew anyway.

Between thus having nothing to disprove in finding a Hamitic-to-Semitic link, and what you mentioned about Swahili having much Arabic influence anyway (via trade) --- African languages are not on Edenics radar screen.

But if anyone can find an Amerind, Asian or Micronesian word like S-V meaning flat, equal or equilanent, it would be a valuable addition to our data,

If you want an equal playing field, play in Savannah.

Best, Isaac

[itsme]

Isaac wrote:

"... Between thus having nothing to disprove in finding a Hamitic-to-Semitic link, and what you mentioned about Swahili having much Arabic influence anyway (via trade) --- African languages are not on Edenics radar screen.

But if anyone can find an Amerind, Asian or Micronesian word like S-V meaning flat, equal or equilanent, it would be a valuable addition to our data,

If you want an equal playing field, play in Savannah."

Playing in the Savannah of the Amazonian Languages from Peru which have the same S-V pattern and also the same meaning. For example:

SiBá flat, even, smooth (Cashibo Cacataibo)
SaPán flat (Candoshi).
SaPa leveled, flat (Cashinahua)
Then comes a nasalized
CHaMPani flat, even (Capanahua)

Then, they become valuable addition.

[IsaacMozeson]

Dear Chinese Boat guest ("junk" for short):

You strangely refer to "my" God. This is a strong clue that you a religious fanatic, albeit an anti-religious one. Nobody's religion or Creator rests on the small fraction of Edenics work based on Chinese. It could well be that somehow Chinese was not part of the spin-offs from Edenic that is strongly suggested by Edenics documentation. Your opinion is welcome. If it turns out that George Shen's fine work on Edenic and Chinese doesn't fly, then it's a loss for George and I, but no threat to the Biblical Edenic thesis, or to the prospect that even YOU were not evolved by accident from lifeless slime.
You are free to investigate the 23,000 Edenic links that we have so far, and to have whatever opinion floats your boat. You aren't likely to order the Edenics CD III and judge even our Chinese data, so I'll paste some here. Sadly, there are 20,000 Edenic words in your brain. But fortunately a lobotomy could cure that.
God bless, I mean, may fortunate mutations occur to you, Isaac

P.S.

CHINESE – EDENIC
[George Shen is the main force behind this project]


Introduction: The skeptic will dismiss sound and sense similarities between “unrelated languages” as coincidence. Twenty of these are allowed to exist, they say, just by mathematical chance. Therefore, much more than 20 links from Chinese to Edenic (Proto-Semitic, as documented in the Hebrew Bible) are presented below. Consider the following “coincidence,” and figure the mathematical odds: Chinese yan = eye, and yuan = water source. In Hebrew, these are both Ayin-Yod-Noon, YiN.

Chinese pictographs are in the Xinhua dictionary (X + page no.).

Key to romanized Hebrew: Vowels in lower case. Root letters in Upper Case with [brackets] around unpronounced letters or non-historic ones in the derivative language. Lower case letters like “h” are to aid pronunciation.


Alef = A or UPPER CASE VOWEL, Bet = B, Bhet = BH or (V), Gimel = G,J
Dalet = D, Hey = H, Vav = V,W, OO or OA, Zayin = Z, Het = [K]H or
K[H], Tet = DT, Yod = Y, Kahf = K, Khuf = KH, Lamed = L, Mem = M, Noon = N, Samekh = $, Ayin = bracketed, u.c. [VOWEL] or GH, Pey = P, Phey = PH or F, Tsaddi = TS (always read ST in European), Koof = Q, Raish = R, Shin = SH, Sin = S, Tahf = T, TH or (S)

ORDER OF ENTRY: Meaning Chinese word page in Xinhua dictionary Edenic ultimate source – entry in The Word or e-word CD dictionary for cognates and Biblical citations
If no entry exists, a Biblical citation is added and perhaps other cognates

Afraid p’ate Pa[K]HaD, fear (n., v.)
Agree, consent ken X358 affirm. Korean chin = pro KaiN, yes -- see “KEEN”
Alive huo te; chi – X79 live on; as in tai chi [K]HaiY, life
Announce sheng X586 SHeeMaGH, announce (see “Reputation” below)
Shum = noise (Russian) see “SOUND”
Angry…sincere feeling chen X73 K[H]aiMaH, wrath; K[H]aMaD, desire
– see “AMITY” also fu X181 (looking angry) reverse of
AhF (angry... literally, with flaring nostrils – Genesis 27:45).
Baby ying X774 YoNaiQ, suckling infant – “YOUNG”
Bake bei X27 rev. and bilabial shift of APHaH (bake – Genesis 40:5)
-- see “OVEN” (A)
Balanced, honest, middle, upright, straight ting X648,9 Reverse of EMeT,
AMeeTee, true; EMTS or EMTSaGH, middle -- see True below
and “ETYMOLOGY”
Bath mu yu (n.,V.) MaYA, water (Aram.), MaYiM, waters- “MIAMI”
Beautiful wan X667 reverse Na’AvaH, comely (Songs 1:5)
Boil, pour boiling water on chong X82 – see “AMITY” (Swahili, Amerind cognates)
Brain nao X474 MoaWa[K]H, brains, marrow – see “MARROW”
Bubble pao X495 BBOO, bubble – the Vowel-Bilabial
is reduplicated -- Japan. awa, bubble – see “BUBBLE”
Build bian X38 (complete a material, fabricate) BoNeH, build -- see “BONE”
Burn, ignite, light ran X551 reverse of NOOR, light, fire – see “MINARET”
Buttocks , (bottom) tun X660 rev. of MaDTaH, down, below
Child nan X472 NeeYN, descendant, great-grandchild;
see “El NINO.” SON is Malay niana, and Spanish nino/nina for male/female
child . See SON entry below.
Choke qiang X528 ; Greek anchien, Latin ango = to choke; K[H]eNeQ, to strangle
see words like ANGER and ANGST at “HANG”
Class, category, family branch men X446 MeeYN, species, kind…sect
– see “MINISTER”
Club, cudgel, scepter ting X649 K[H]oDTeR, branch, stick, rod (of the kingly tribe
of Judah) – see “ROD”
Defend gan X193 [Ha]GeN, to defend -- see “JANUARY” and Shield below
Differentiate bian X 40 BiNaH, BaiN = understanding, between
-- see “BONE UP”
Disease gan X 195 reverse of NaGh, infect…plague – see “NOXIOUS”
Do, use shi X 592 reverse of SeH, to do -- see “USE”
Drive (cattle) gan X 195 reverse of NaHaG, to drive – see “NAG”
Except (conj.) chu X 86 rev. of AKH, only, but (Genesis 7:23);
aka = but in Hawaian. – see ONLY below
Eye (and see) yan X 746 YiN, eye ; Mid. English eyne – “EYE”
Japan. Me, Kor. nun ; also kan X 350, read, survey, investigate (from GHaYiN)
Falcon sun X 620 reverse of NayTS, falcon (Jer. 48:9). Ts’om, buzzard in
Maya; NaZA, hawk in Aramaic. A Chinese kite or hawk is yuan X795
Father ba X13 and fu X186 reverse of ABH, father;
Latin avus, grandfather – see “ABBOT”
Flat ping, even X508 PaK[H]OOS, flat, level. P-K[H] root at “PIT”
Field 1. dong X 139 (in place names), 2. tian X643 ADaMaH, land or country
– see “DEMOCRAT”
Flesh, meat, skin r’ou X559 ; rang = flesh, pulp X 552 rev. of [O]WR or
GHoWR (minus nasalized or extra N) ; see CORIUM, CARNI(VORE),
Latin caro, flesh , at “CHROME”
Fly, flying bird, hover, flutter, float fei X 170, fu X 73; piao X piao “float in the air,”
fu’ is floating and a mayfly in Concise p. 68. These are a rev . of F, to fly,
[O]aF or GHoaF, bird, fowl. (with gutteral Ayin). See “AVIATE”
Vuka = fly (Fijian), kupu = Butterfly (Malay)
Fog wu X 686 reverse of BH, cloud; “EVENING”
Fortune, luck ji X283, Cantonese Gud; GaD, fortune -- see “GOOD”
Grow, develop zhang X823 TSeMaK[H], to grow, sprout – see “SUMAC”
Guard kan X349 Yin, see Eye, also read as GHaYiN -- “EYE”
Hate zeng X814 (Cantonese tsang) SaNAh, hate – see “XENOPHOBIA”
Hold, grasp zhi X841 reverse of Ah[K]HaZ, hold, grasp – see “HAS”
Hole, cavity, burrow ku X362 QeBH, subroot in cavity, celler…-- ”CAVITY”
Honest , sincere dun X149 rev. AmeeTee, truthful --- see True
Horse (ancient breed) su X616 $OOS, horse – see “PEGASUS” for ma too
(about 1/6)

[RSdaCat]

Hi,
Sorry but I just could not resist the fact that the US has an amphibious assault ship (basically a mini-aircraft carrier i.e. it's a flat landing strip) named the Saipan. Probably named after the island, which although it has an extinct volcano is primarily made up of three very table like regions. Perhaps I am stretching......perhaps, and perhaps more likely, God loves hints and humor and glorious little "coincidences" that bring us closer, deeper and further into the realization of HIS universe. Blessings RSdaCat

[RSdaCat]

Hi,
Sorry but I just could not resist the fact that the US has an amphibious assault ship (basically a mini-aircraft carrier i.e. it's a flat landing strip) named the Saipan. Probably named after the island, which although it has an extinct volcano is primarily made up of three very table like regions. Perhaps I am stretching......perhaps, and perhaps more likely, God loves hints and humor and glorious little "coincidences" that bring us closer, deeper and further into the understanding of HIS universe. Blessings RSdaCat

[petros]

itsme said:

Isaac wrote:

"... Between thus having nothing to disprove in finding a Hamitic-to-Semitic link, and what you mentioned about Swahili having much Arabic influence anyway (via trade) --- African languages are not on Edenics radar screen.

But if anyone can find an Amerind, Asian or Micronesian word like S-V meaning flat, equal or equilanent, it would be a valuable addition to our data,

If you want an equal playing field, play in Savannah."

Playing in the Savannah of the Amazonian Languages from Peru which have the same S-V pattern and also the same meaning. For example:

SiBá flat, even, smooth (Cashibo Cacataibo)
SaPán flat (Candoshi).
SaPa leveled, flat (Cashinahua)
Then comes a nasalized
CHaMPani flat, even (Capanahua)

Then, they become valuable addition.

Arabs were in Spain for 700 years, in a dominant position. Which, if any, of these words in Peruvian vocabularies, could Spaniards have loaned?

[Fernando Aedo]

Influence of Spanish on the Amazonian languages isn't that high. These languages have been protected from any modern foreign influence because of their isolated condition. Even today if someone wants to reach these communities, the only way is the fluvial one. This mean of communication haven't changed from centuries.

On the dictionaries in my possession I have seen only a few referenced Spanish words. What is found in a more increased number are Quechua nouns.

On the other hand, the examples mentioned for Savannah and their related flat meaning from four Amazonian languages, demonstrate how this S-(V, P, B) root is preserved on these remote tongues.