I'm in a New York state of mind...

[Phil Van Riper]

I sort of borrowed this list of Iroqouian 'chiefs.' Anybody want to ruminate on them...and maybe then pontificate about any of 'em? I'll add a comment or two in parentheses. Here goes!!
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Royaner List (list of 'chief' titles...same names as at the beginning of the Iroqouis Confederacy)

Kenienke:haka (we call 'em Mohawk)

1) Tekarihokenh - Two Voices or Minds
2) Ayonwatha - He seeks the Wampum Belt; he is awoke; he combs 3 brothers
3) Shadegariwati - Two equal things
COUSINS TO NEXT THREE
4) Sharenhoweneh - He is a high Tree
5) Teyonhenkwen - Double Life Brothers
6) Oghrenregowah - He is a Big Flower

COUSINS TO NEXT THREE

7) Tehenakarineh - He has Two Horns; Two Horns Lying
8) Agstawenserontha - Holds up the Rattles 3 brothers
9) Shoskoharowaneh - A Great Drift of Wood; Even tempered

Oneota:haka (we call 'em Oneida)

10) Odatsheteh - Bearing a Quiver
11) Kanonkwenyotoh - Looks after the Corn 3 Brothers
12) Teyohhakwenteh - Opening Through the Woods;

COUSINS TO NEXT THREE

13) Shononses - He is a Long House
14) Tehonahokenah - Two Branches of Water 3 brothers
15) Hahtyatenentha - He Slides His Body Down; He Swallows His Body

COUSINS TO NEXT THREE

16) Tewatahontenyon - Two Hanging Ears; Place of the Echo
17) Kanyadaghshayenh - Throat Lying Down; Easy Throat 3 brothers
18) Honwahtsadonneh - He is Buried

Onontaka:haka UNCLES TO THEIR SONS ONEOTA: HAKA
(we call 'em Onondaga)

19) Adotarhoh - The Entangled 2 cousins (Tadodaho)
20) Onehsenghhen - The Best Soil Uppermost

21) Tehhatkatos - He Looks All Over; He Watches
22) Skanyiatajiwak - Bitter Throat
23) Awenkenwat - End of the Journey; End of the Water 4 brothers
24) Tehayatkwayen - Red on the Wing

25) Hononwirehtonh - He Has Disappeared; He is out of Site also Hochustanona;
Keeper of the Wampum (Stands alone With two relations on both sides) Great Wolf

26) Kowennenserontoh – Her Voice is Suspended
27) Harirronh – He Spills Now and Then
28) Honyunhnyennih - It Was Made For Him; It was Laid Before Him 5 brothers
29) Shotehgwaseh - He is Bruised
30) Shakokenhen - He Saw Them

31) Sehhawih - He Wears a Hatchet (2 Brothers Controversial as to whether 49 or 50 Royaner because he is both war
and Peace chief using both titles)
32) Skanaawatih - Over the Waters ( Skanawati said to be first to go back to war after the Great Law and takes Sehhawih
title when off to war)

ONONTAGA:HAGA UNCLES TO KAOKWAHAGA SONS ( Uncles look after sons not fathers)

Kaokwa:haka (we call 'em Cayuga)

33) Tekaheyonh - He Looks Both Ways these 2 sons to one another or elders of the nations very
34) Tsinontawerhonh - He Comes on His Knees closely related

35) Kadakwarason - It was Bruised
36) Soyouwes - He Has a Long Wampum Belt 3 brothers
37) Watiaseronhneh - He Piles Them On
Kaokwa:haka two fires Upper and Lower
38) Teyohronyonkoh - It Touches the Sky across the marshes in the north Upper
39) Teyothorehgwenh - Cold on Both Sides 3 brothers
40) Tawenhethon - Mossy Place

41) Wadontahherhah - He is Crowded In 2 cousins
42) Teskaheh - He Rests on It


SONONTOWA:HAKA UNCLES TO THEIR NEPHEWS KAOKWA:HAKA

Sonontowa:haka (we call 'em Seneca)

43) Skanyiatario - Beautiful Lake 2 cousins
44) Satekaronias - Skies of Equal Length

45) Shakenjoweneh - Large Forehead 2 cousins
46) Kanonkareh - He is Threatened

47) Teshayenah - The Day Fell Down 4 cousins or brothers but not sure
48) Shotyenawet - He Hold on to It
49) Kanonkerihtawih - They Burned Their Hair; Hair Burned Off
50) Teyohninhokarawenh - Open Door

Tuscaroras
(The Johnny Come Latelies - Tuscaroras are genetically and linguistically related to the other Iroqouis people...but lived in eastern North Carolina. Survivors of The Tuscarora War -what else would us Anglos call it- migrated north in the early 18th century)

1) Sagwaritha
2) Nehaweniha
3) Tyogwawaken
4) Nakayendenh
5) Dehgwateha
6) Nechanenagon
7) Neyonkaweha
8) Nayonchakten
9) Karihtawagan
10) Thanatagwa
11) Karenyenta
12) Nehnokaweh
13) Nehkahehwathea

Nanticokes (originally from Maryland, Delaware and environs - not sure when they joined the club)

Sakokarias
Rarihwetyeha
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[Phil Van Riper]

BTW, the 'chiefs,' when listed like that are always listed in that order. However a 'roll call' doesn't include the Tuscaroras...and I've never even heard about the Nanticokes.

Oh, and when the nations that comprise the Confederacy are listed they're ALWAYS listed from right to left. Geographically right to left, anyway. It's kind of silly to list them in English...which is left to right when one means right to left the way they're lined up in central New York State. But it's always Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Cayuga and then Seneca. Anyway, Mohawk territory was to the east - Seneca territory was the westernmost of the Iroquois nations.

Meanwhile, wherever you see 'kowa' or 'ko:wa' it means 'big.'

I'm out here in the desert without any of my Mohawk, Oneida or Seneca friends to pester about this stuff.

[Phil Van Riper]

The E-Word dictionary already mentions the Mohawk word ehsa which, in English, is 'black ash tree.' (It's in the entry for Ayshel אשל

How about for KeeNai$, כינס meaning assemble - the Mohawk word konnis? Konnis means, in English, 'I make' or 'I'm making.'

(Mohawk people are from...and many still live in...what's now called New York State {north-east part of USA})

(this is also a test of a couple of the formatting options that Proboars makes available to all of us - I hope this is reasonably legible)