I've got my eye on _this_ one!

[Phil Van Riper]

The Mohawk word "Okàra" means 'Eye.' In the e-Word dictionary, under 'Eye' one finds suspicious words like 'ocular' and 'ogle.' In Mohawk, the character that looks just like an Anglo 'K' is pronounced like and Anglo 'G.' So that give us...so far...O-Gay. (I think the backwards accent mark indicated stress for that syllable) The last sound can be pronounced 'ra' or 'la' - depending on which Mohawk community one comes from. That makes it Okàra or O-GAY- RAH.

So we could have an 'O' sound, a 'G' sound, and an 'L' sound - just like in the anglo or latin word 'ocular.'

Unfortunately, I'm a little sketchy on how Isaac bridges from the Edenic 'Ayin' to Ogle and Ocular. Maybe this isn't a direct grandchild from Adam and Noach (sorry, just pretend there's no 'c' there) But, hey, what's wrong with a cousin??!!

I don't have a way to check the other related Iroquoian languages, but there's a sporting chance that they have similar words for 'eye.'

[IsaacMozeson]

Dear Forum Moderators, and readers (KaiN YiRBOO):

Here is what Phil has added to the "EYE" erntry in the e-word CD dictionary, soon to make the OED look like a retirement home for doddering old Nazis:


EYE YiN Ayin-Yod-Noon
EYE-IN______________________[EY(N)]
ROOTS: There are older EYE words in Middle English like ein and eyne. The Old Teutonic augon (eye) has gutturalized the Ayin / GH to a G and switched places with the Yod / Y. The given IE root for EYE, ok(w) (to see), resembles neither YiN (eye - Exodus 21:24), nor the Germanic etymons above, nor a score of the cognates attributed to this theoretical root.

BRANCHES: The L of EYELET is from oeil, the French eye. OCUL(AR), (MON)OCLE and OGLE also display the Noon/ N to L change seen in the connection between bank and Old English balca (bank), or that between man and male. See a score of these Noon/ N to L shifts at Appendix B. For the moment, consider guttural Ayin+N instead of guttural Ayin + N. Matching a guttural-liquid seeing term seen in LOOK (reversed to LK), OCULAR, and OGLE, there is the Mohawk eye, okara. (Phil Van Riper assures us that this won’t be the last of the Mohican cognates).
It's not hard to see EYE to EYE with the following versions of YiN or GHaYiN which contain 1) a vowel, CH,G or K, 2) a Y, J or H and/or 3) an N, M or L:
Cantonese ngaan, Chinese yan, Eskimo iye, German auge, Italian occhio, Japanese me, Korean nun, Malaya: Galela lako (OCULAR reversed), Malay: Sula Island hama, Maidu (California Indians) hin, Navaho ah-nah, Portuguese ojho, Spanish ojo, Swahili jicho, Welsh llyg(ad) Yoruba (Nigerian) oju and Tamil kan. Reverse to mada, the Hawaiian eye. A nasal shift brings AIM into focus.

(Just the first 1/2 of this entry)
. I you want to read childish smugness about erroneous etymology, I reccommend a site called "Take My (or Our) Word for It."

Best wishes, Isaac

[Phil Van Riper]

I don't want to mention any names, but somebody keeps leaving out my accent marks[/u]. (I wonder who that could be??)

And there was that famous (American) Revolutionary War army officer...who was one of many Mohican soldiers...who also just may have been a grandson of a very famous Mohawk leader...who was one of Sir William Johnson's cronies.

But this isn't language-related - so I better shutup.

[regina]

here are more eye words with the guttural g from ayin-hebrew-eye.

the ayin is sometimes pronounced like g, which can be shifted to k and other related shifts.
oko is croatian ,polish, bulgarian,ukrainian-eye, öga is swedish-eye , ochi-rumanian,oog-dutch,

[Mark Whitbeck]

Phil, Isaac, et al...I may be crazy, but could these words also be related to "egg"? I mean, after all, an eye does sorta look like an egg. Is there any basis for a K/G>V shift or vice versa V>G/K?

If so, then you might easily arrive at OVA (oka/oko/oga) and EGG (oga/oog). Just a thought...my pattern-finding abilities running amok...