chinese "boat"

[chinitopequeno]

how true is it that the chinese character for "boat" has the characters "8" and "mouth" (which coincides with the number of people in noahs ark).

also check out www.yutopian.com/religion/words for other interesting characters...

[tao qian]

there are three possible chinese words roughly meaning 'boat.' they are: hang(2), chuan(2), and zhou(1) [the numbers indicate which tone the word is pronounced with]. the first word is combined with other characters to make words like "journey" or "waterway". the second word is used in combination with other characters to define parts of ships and actions of ships (e.g. "berthing"). the third word simply means boat and is a pictograph of a dugout canoe. the only one of these that contains the combination that you seek is the second one. more importantly, these two quarters of the character in question compose the phonetic portion of the character. that is, they have nothing to do with the meaning, only the pronunciation. the same combination is used for the words meaning 'pencil' and 'ravine.' if you think that your god had something to do with linguistic history in china, then how come no one had ever heard of your god there until the british decided to subjugate the population. there are no chinese words for 'god,' 'ark,' or 'crucifix.' maybe you should investigate something that you have actual knowledge of rather than making baseless assertions about human language. leave linguistic science to linguists, and mythology to preachers and theologians.

[Phil Van Riper]

(I didn't want to mention any names, but, ah, Isaac posted this reply over in a different thread by mistake. I just moved it over here. Actually I moved the whole topic over here. I read Isaac's reply a couple times, and I suspect he may have had just a bit too much tabasco sauce on his corn flakes that morning!! But, I'm sure we all wear lots of Nomex when frequenting on-line fora such as this one. 8-) - Phil Van Riper / [e-mail])
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Re: Hamitic or Semitic?
« Reply #3 on Dec 14, 2005, 3:47pm »

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Dear Chinese Boat guest ("junk" for short):

You strangely refer to "my" God. This is a strong clue that you a religious fanatic, albeit an anti-religious one. Nobody's religion or Creator rests on the small fraction of Edenics work based on Chinese. It could well be that somehow Chinese was not part of the spin-offs from Edenic that is strongly suggested by Edenics documentation. Your opinion is welcome. If it turns out that George Shen's fine work on Edenic and Chinese doesn't fly, then it's a loss for George and I, but no threat to the Biblical Edenic thesis, or to the prospect that even YOU were not evolved by accident from lifeless slime.
You are free to investigate the 23,000 Edenic links that we have so far, and to have whatever opinion floats your boat. You aren't likely to order the Edenics CD III and judge even our Chinese data, so I'll paste some here. Sadly, there are 20,000 Edenic words in your brain. But fortunately a lobotomy could cure that.
God bless, I mean, may fortunate mutations occur to you, Isaac

P.S.

CHINESE – EDENIC
[George Shen is the main force behind this project]


Introduction: The skeptic will dismiss sound and sense similarities between “unrelated languages” as coincidence. Twenty of these are allowed to exist, they say, just by mathematical chance. Therefore, much more than 20 links from Chinese to Edenic (Proto-Semitic, as documented in the Hebrew Bible) are presented below. Consider the following “coincidence,” and figure the mathematical odds: Chinese yan = eye, and yuan = water source. In Hebrew, these are both Ayin-Yod-Noon, YiN.

Chinese pictographs are in the Xinhua dictionary (X + page no.).

Key to romanized Hebrew: Vowels in lower case. Root letters in Upper Case with [brackets] around unpronounced letters or non-historic ones in the derivative language. Lower case letters like “h” are to aid pronunciation.


Alef = A or UPPER CASE VOWEL, Bet = B, Bhet = BH or (V), Gimel = G,J
Dalet = D, Hey = H, Vav = V,W, OO or OA, Zayin = Z, Het = [K]H or
K[H], Tet = DT, Yod = Y, Kahf = K, Khuf = KH, Lamed = L, Mem = M, Noon = N, Samekh = $, Ayin = bracketed, u.c. [VOWEL] or GH, Pey = P, Phey = PH or F, Tsaddi = TS (always read ST in European), Koof = Q, Raish = R, Shin = SH, Sin = S, Tahf = T, TH or (S)

ORDER OF ENTRY: Meaning Chinese word page in Xinhua dictionary Edenic ultimate source – entry in The Word or e-word CD dictionary for cognates and Biblical citations
If no entry exists, a Biblical citation is added and perhaps other cognates

Afraid p’ate Pa[K]HaD, fear (n., v.)
Agree, consent ken X358 affirm. Korean chin = pro KaiN, yes -- see “KEEN”
Alive huo te; chi – X79 live on; as in tai chi [K]HaiY, life
Announce sheng X586 SHeeMaGH, announce (see “Reputation” below)
Shum = noise (Russian) see “SOUND”
Angry…sincere feeling chen X73 K[H]aiMaH, wrath; K[H]aMaD, desire
– see “AMITY” also fu X181 (looking angry) reverse of
AhF (angry... literally, with flaring nostrils – Genesis 27:45).
Baby ying X774 YoNaiQ, suckling infant – “YOUNG”
Bake bei X27 rev. and bilabial shift of APHaH (bake – Genesis 40:5)
-- see “OVEN” (A)
Balanced, honest, middle, upright, straight ting X648,9 Reverse of EMeT,
AMeeTee, true; EMTS or EMTSaGH, middle -- see True below
and “ETYMOLOGY”
Bath mu yu (n.,V.) MaYA, water (Aram.), MaYiM, waters- “MIAMI”
Beautiful wan X667 reverse Na’AvaH, comely (Songs 1:5)
Boil, pour boiling water on chong X82 – see “AMITY” (Swahili, Amerind cognates)
Brain nao X474 MoaWa[K]H, brains, marrow – see “MARROW”
Bubble pao X495 BBOO, bubble – the Vowel-Bilabial
is reduplicated -- Japan. awa, bubble – see “BUBBLE”
Build bian X38 (complete a material, fabricate) BoNeH, build -- see “BONE”
Burn, ignite, light ran X551 reverse of NOOR, light, fire – see “MINARET”
Buttocks , (bottom) tun X660 rev. of MaDTaH, down, below
Child nan X472 NeeYN, descendant, great-grandchild;
see “El NINO.” SON is Malay niana, and Spanish nino/nina for male/female
child . See SON entry below.
Choke qiang X528 ; Greek anchien, Latin ango = to choke; K[H]eNeQ, to strangle
see words like ANGER and ANGST at “HANG”
Class, category, family branch men X446 MeeYN, species, kind…sect
– see “MINISTER”
Club, cudgel, scepter ting X649 K[H]oDTeR, branch, stick, rod (of the kingly tribe
of Judah) – see “ROD”
Defend gan X193 [Ha]GeN, to defend -- see “JANUARY” and Shield below
Differentiate bian X 40 BiNaH, BaiN = understanding, between
-- see “BONE UP”
Disease gan X 195 reverse of NaGh, infect…plague – see “NOXIOUS”
Do, use shi X 592 reverse of SeH, to do -- see “USE”
Drive (cattle) gan X 195 reverse of NaHaG, to drive – see “NAG”
Except (conj.) chu X 86 rev. of AKH, only, but (Genesis 7:23);
aka = but in Hawaian. – see ONLY below
Eye (and see) yan X 746 YiN, eye ; Mid. English eyne – “EYE”
Japan. Me, Kor. nun ; also kan X 350, read, survey, investigate (from GHaYiN)
Falcon sun X 620 reverse of NayTS, falcon (Jer. 48:9). Ts’om, buzzard in
Maya; NaZA, hawk in Aramaic. A Chinese kite or hawk is yuan X795
Father ba X13 and fu X186 reverse of ABH, father;
Latin avus, grandfather – see “ABBOT”
Flat ping, even X508 PaK[H]OOS, flat, level. P-K[H] root at “PIT”
Field 1. dong X 139 (in place names), 2. tian X643 ADaMaH, land or country
– see “DEMOCRAT”
Flesh, meat, skin r’ou X559 ; rang = flesh, pulp X 552 rev. of [O]WR or
GHoWR (minus nasalized or extra N) ; see CORIUM, CARNI(VORE),
Latin caro, flesh , at “CHROME”
Fly, flying bird, hover, flutter, float fei X 170, fu X 73; piao X piao “float in the air,”
fu’ is floating and a mayfly in Concise p. 68. These are a rev . of F, to fly,
[O]aF or GHoaF, bird, fowl. (with gutteral Ayin). See “AVIATE”
Vuka = fly (Fijian), kupu = Butterfly (Malay)
Fog wu X 686 reverse of BH, cloud; “EVENING”
Fortune, luck ji X283, Cantonese Gud; GaD, fortune -- see “GOOD”
Grow, develop zhang X823 TSeMaK[H], to grow, sprout – see “SUMAC”
Guard kan X349 Yin, see Eye, also read as GHaYiN -- “EYE”
Hate zeng X814 (Cantonese tsang) SaNAh, hate – see “XENOPHOBIA”
Hold, grasp zhi X841 reverse of Ah[K]HaZ, hold, grasp – see “HAS”
Hole, cavity, burrow ku X362 QeBH, subroot in cavity, celler…-- ”CAVITY”
Honest , sincere dun X149 rev. AmeeTee, truthful --- see True
Horse (ancient breed) su X616 $OOS, horse – see “PEGASUS” for ma too
(about 1/6)

[petros]

tao said:

there are three possible chinese words roughly meaning 'boat.' they are: hang(2), chuan(2), and zhou(1) [the numbers indicate which tone the word is pronounced with]. the first word is combined with other characters to make words like "journey" or "waterway". the second word is used in combination with other characters to define parts of ships and actions of ships (e.g. "berthing"). the third word simply means boat and is a pictograph of a dugout canoe. the only one of these that contains the combination that you seek is the second one. more importantly, these two quarters of the character in question compose the phonetic portion of the character. that is, they have nothing to do with the meaning, only the pronunciation. the same combination is used for the words meaning 'pencil' and 'ravine.' if you think that your god had something to do with linguistic history in china, then how come no one had ever heard of your god there until the british decided to subjugate the population. there are no chinese words for 'god,' 'ark,' or 'crucifix.' maybe you should investigate something that you have actual knowledge of rather than making baseless assertions about human language. leave linguistic science to linguists, and mythology to preachers and theologians.

This changes nothing concerning the fact that there were early Christians in China, and possibly Isareli refugees here and there. China was not originally one country, but several, and a single regime took over all of the countries that now comprise China's provinces. Not all "Chinese" are equally genetically linked to one another. It is also the same in India.

In Turkey, whole tribal remnants of otherwise decimated Christian nations have no memory of having once been Christian, and are not permitted to learn their former languages, in which they might also find a literary tradition that would remind them they weren't always islamic.

Things happen that you may not percieve.