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Post by Barbara on Aug 24, 2010 21:09:00 GMT
This is my first post. Hi all!
Wondering, because of my son's studies, is Edenics or Hebrew also the first written language? (Seems to me it would be)
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Post by alex person on Aug 31, 2010 17:04:24 GMT
Yes, first in everything!
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Post by Phil Van Riper on Sept 12, 2010 18:24:19 GMT
Gee, thanks, Alex! I don't want to mention any names, but, umm, ISAAC seems to check in here about as often as I do.
Our thesis is that what we're calling 'Edenic' is the first language on the planet. And that it was the only language on the planet for approximately 2000 years. Our thesis is that it was given by G-d to the first humans on the planet. Whether 'Edenic' was the first WRITTEN language is another question. The earliest written language is, we're saying, Hebrew. Isaac Mozeson makes a bit of a distinction between Edenic and Hebrew. We're keeping an eye on archaeologist and anthropologists and such, but till now there don't appear to be any written or carved in stone documents or partial documents that pre-date the Tower of Babel. The earliest written language (and spoken) that has been in continuous use is Hebrew. The earliest documents in Hebrew are the Five Books of Moses. They've been extant in written form for over 3300 years. There may be other languages, Sumerian, Egyptian, etc that are around the same age - and even somewhat older, but there's no unbroken continuity of use.
Isaac M. makes a distinction between 'Edenic' and 'Hebrew' because those earliest written documents occasionally contain non-Hebrew words. The easiest example is Jacob's son Joseph ( we should pronounce that like Yo'-safe). That's what his parents named him. Read on a bit and the Egyptians give him another name, this time in their own Egyptian language. And that Egyptian name is recorded clearly right in the first of those five books. Even Moses (we should pronounce that like Moe-sheh) isn't clearly an Edenic name...or even a Hebrew name. (Well, nowadays it is.) Of course he had a perfectly good Hebrew name. OTOH, right in the same neighborhood in Genesis (b' Ray Sheet) there's an example of an Egyptian woman who isn't remembered by her original Egyptian name, but by an extraordinary Hebrew name.
Anyway, there are occasional non-Edenic words preserved in what we now just call Hebrew. That's why Isaac makes that distinction. Not just because nowadays there are borrowed words used in modern Hebrew like, say, 'televisya' or 'telefon.' But, Hebrew, even MODERN HEBREW is very similar to ancient Hebrew...Biblical Hebrew...and that to our proposed ultimate ancestor language that we call 'Edenic.' Almost all nouns and verbs and such work precisely the same way over those millenia. And the techniques we use to hunt for cognates among many languages seem to work just fine whether we're using the actual text of those earliest books or Modern Hebrew dictionaries right off the shelf at Barnes & Noble or Borders.
I've probably left out a third of what I intended to write here. And another third I completely forgot to write about. Maybe someone else will jump in here and flesh out some of this stuff.
Avraham Van Riper / Albuquerque, NM, USA
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